Speech at the Pension and Lifetime Savings Association Conference 2025
Minister for Pensions Torsten Bell Speaks at the Pension and Lifetime Savings Association Conference 2025 in Edinburgh.

Thank you to the PLSA for the invitation to speak鈥�
鈥nd for bringing us all to Edinburgh鈥�
鈥he city my first boss in politics, Alistair Darling, represented and loved.聽
It is always a pleasure to come鈥�
鈥ell almost always.聽
Because it can trigger traumatic flashbacks.
One stands out.
Of a pre-dawn drive across from Glasgow back in 2014鈥�
鈥o accompany Alistair to the Andrew Marr show on the Sunday just days before the referendum.
It鈥檚 not a great distance, nor is the traffic bad at 5am鈥�
鈥�.but it felt like an eternity given the weight of events.
Events that could have had seismic repercussions for the whole UK鈥�
鈥nd for this city鈥檚 pensions, and financial services, industry.
Whenever I hear partisans of Manchester and Birmingham compete over which is the UK鈥檚 second city鈥�
鈥 gently remind them that,聽when it comes to聽productivity, there鈥檚 no contest: it鈥檚 Edinburgh.聽聽聽
I was also here last August for a rather more light-hearted kind of trauma.
I was due to speak at the brilliant book festival鈥β�
鈥nd had plenty of time spare ahead of a 7pm event.
Or at least I would have done, if it actually had a 7pm start鈥�
I was ambling under the castle when my team rang.
There had been a mix-up and the event started at 6.
It was 5.45.
This was an event on a big, serious, topic: the UK鈥檚 economic stagnation.
But rather than pondering that I now had a rather more practical question鈥�
鈥ow fast can a newly elected MP walk, or run, up the hills of this city while retaining a shred of dignity in transit and upon arrival.
Quite fast it turns out is the answer鈥�
鈥lthough opinions differ on much dignity was retained.
This is all a long way of saying particularly thank you to the PLSA for organising today鈥�
鈥nd sparing us any short notice changes to the schedule.
So we can give pensions the unflustered attention聽it聽deserves.聽聽聽
Today I want to step back to focus on the big picture鈥�
鈥f where our priorities must be as聽our聽defined contribution saving landscape matures鈥�
鈥nd defined benefit schemes see their funding positions changed materially.
On the former my big argument is we have to pay more attention to returns for savers鈥�
鈥ather than just to costs, or savings rates 鈥� important as both those are.聽
Celebrating the success of auto-enrolment can no longer be a substitute for answering the harder question:
What does the聽best聽landscape for those savings to be managed in look like?聽
Both to maximise returns for savers鈥�
鈥nd to ensure those savers live in a country that is investing and growing again after a long decade of聽economic聽stagnation聽
Now, our view is that scale does matter.聽
We want fewer, bigger, better pension schemes.聽
That is already the direction of travel 鈥� for a聽whole聽host of reasons.聽
We are merely providing extra wind into the consolidation processes鈥� sails.聽
Of course, some smaller schemes deliver great value for money.
But for the market as a whole, and savers on average, consolidation is desirable.聽
Larger schemes are better placed to invest in more productive asset classes.聽
This is a diversification as important as that of geography, which rightly gets聽so聽much attention.
Scale also helps reduce costs 鈥� and increases bargaining power.聽
That聽both can help provide the headroom for building investment capability鈥�
鈥r just better returns for members.
Around the world we also see that scale matters for the nature of ownership.聽
Only large pension schemes can provide active, engaged ownership鈥β�
鈥� of the kind that presses management not just on short term returns today but on whether they聽can聽deliver over the long term.
Now, scale聽of course聽is an enabler of change, and聽it is聽very far from a silver bullet.
One part of interlocking reforms.
Including reforms to focus more on value, and less narrowly on cost or price.聽
I鈥檓 grateful for the support there has been for the proposed value for money framework.
It will help focus minds.
Employers聽including any in the room today聽will have no excuse for ignoring what matters most to their employees.聽聽
But we also need to focus on value in debates and, to be frank, in sales pitches.
Now why do I focus on enabling productive investment?聽
Because we do so little of it.聽
DC pension funds allocate 3% to infrastructure and 0.5% to private equity.
That compares to an 11% infrastructure allocation in Canada, and 5% to private equity in Australia.
Every percentage point counts,聽or part of a percentage point matter聽when this investment can deliver not only returns for savers鈥�
鈥ut also contribute to economic growth.
and聽if you want a simple summary of the government鈥檚 economic strategy this is it:
It鈥檚 time for Britain to start investing in its future again.
Again, this shift to investing in a wider range of assets is聽again聽one we are encouraging rather than instigating.
Many of you have told me about changes you are already delivering鈥�
鈥uilding new capacities or partnering with others.
I want to acknowledge the work going on across the industry to realise this shift.
And from learning from parts of the industry that have been doing this for decades.
I particularly want to welcome the聽ambition to go further through voluntary commitments.
This work is ongoing, under the leadership of the PLSA, City of London and the ABI鈥�
I聽want to聽thank them all for it鈥β�
鈥� I look forward to seeing the results in the coming weeks鈥�
鈥nd will weigh them heavily as we finalise the Investment Review聽that Zoe talked about.聽聽
Now everyone in this room,聽given you鈥檝e signed up and I suspect will be here for three days, loves talking about pensions.
But we聽all聽know, higher investment is about far more than pension reform.
That鈥檚 why we encourage you to focus on how the overall strategy, how the pensions reform sit within that wider argument.
It聽also聽requires a supply of investable propositions, not just the existence of capital.
Across the board we are working to grow that pipeline聽and to make it more visible.聽
In June we will set out our 10-year infrastructure strategy.聽
The British Growth Partnership is there to help bring VC investment opportunities to pension funds.聽
Our work with local and regional government will highlight investable propositions聽right聽across geographies.
Investment propositions聽will聽also need to be visible in another sense鈥�
鈥hey actually need to get built.聽
We have already got back in the habit of swiftly granting permissions for the likes of solar farms and reservoirs.
Permissions聽which previously policy makers seem to have decided Britain could do without.
And today we鈥檝e introduced the Planning Bill to make sure we聽do聽get homes and infrastructure built.聽
If we鈥檙e going to invest once again鈥�
鈥e have to make it possible to build聽it聽once again.
Now聽in many ways, elements of our approach build on the success of the Local Government Pension Scheme.
At 拢400bn it is not just one of the聽world鈥檚聽largest聽schemes聽in the world鈥�
鈥ut one of the fastest growing, projected to reach 拢1 trillion by 2040.聽
Now聽given that, we must reflect on what is working well, and what more we can do.聽
One clear objective is reducing fragmentation.
Minimum standards for asset pooling are an important step鈥�
鈥nd again there is lots of progress underway.聽
Thank you to those who have prepared pool transition proposals, all of which we have now received.聽
A great deal of time and energy has clearly gone into them.
We put the onus on the LGPS to come forward with creative and collaborative plans.
And聽we are now considering if the proposals have met that ask.聽
You have all asked for clarity as quickly as possible and I鈥檓 delighted to be meeting聽each and every聽pool in the coming weeks.
And because it is important聽that聽concrete progress is made鈥�
鈥 am today confirming that we聽will聽plan to stick to the timeline of March 2026.
The pooling project began 10 years ago.
By this time next year, our world class LGPS will be made up of large pools of professionally managed capital鈥�
鈥ccountable to Authorities via robust governance structures鈥�
鈥nd delivering for members and their communities.聽
On the Investment Review more generally, it will be finalised in the coming weeks.
The final report will be all the better for the consultation responses we have received.聽
It 鈥� and the wider changes promised in the Kings Speech - will form the basis of the Pensions Bill鈥�
鈥hich I aim to introduce before the summer recess.
That Bill brings me to the 拢1.2 trillion in DB schemes and the incredibly important role these schemes have to play.
We know that the market is already innovating.聽
Hence our commitment to legislate for a permanent regime for Superfunds.
Today鈥檚 拢160bn of surplus is a good 鈥榩roblem鈥� to have.
Infinitely preferable to the previous problem: perma-deficits.聽
Surplus flexibilities will allow more well-funded DB schemes to release resources back to business and scheme members.
Where it is safe to do so.
And where trustees agree.聽
They are best placed to determine, in consultation with employers, the appropriate use of any surplus in their scheme.
As an aside, some may want to examine the position of members with non-indexed pre-1997 accruals when considering the use of any surplus.聽聽聽
I look forward to sharing more details with you in the response to our Options for DB schemes consultation this Spring.聽
And we are considering proposals to allow the Pension Protection Fund greater flexibility to reduce the levy it collects from pension schemes, when it is not required.
I recognise this can all sound like鈥�. a lot.
Especially given wider changes 鈥� dashboards聽and the rest.聽
There are limits on any organisations ability to deliver.聽
I take those constraints聽very聽seriously.聽
Not everything that could be legislated for will be legislated for in the forthcoming Bill聽for exactly that reason.聽
And we owe it to you to provide a clear roadmap of how these changes fit together.
Now I want to end on the big picture, before my talk of capacity constraints exhausts your capacity to feign interest.聽
It鈥檚 helpful to consider how 鈥渢he pension problem鈥� has changed.
Not over recent months聽which is too often the focus聽but recent decades.聽
Now聽here鈥檚聽an overly simplistic view, but still a useful one, is as follows.
The 1990s聽pension聽problem was this:聽
How do we run pension schemes, and regulate them, to cope with the danger that some employers go bust 鈥� leaving employees without the pensions聽they were聽promised?
That is a problem regulation, and more recently a good dose of luck, helped answer.
The problem of the 2000s was different:
How do we deal with the disaster that swathes of people no longer build up any pension savings, never mind any firm pension promises?聽
Again, policy provided an answer in the form of automatic enrolment.聽
In both cases solutions were found聽and that should give us confidence for our own challenges today.聽
But in both cases we took too long to find them.聽
Innovation in face of a chronic problem, rather than a crisis is not easy鈥�.聽
鈥or policy makers, or anyone else working in this area聽
What is today鈥檚 problem?
The consensus is just to say adequacy, due to insufficient savings.聽
I agree, the levels of contribution is an issue but聽I鈥檇 put the problem slightly聽differently.聽
Today鈥檚 problem is how do we deliver higher returns for savers, so they can have a decent standard of living in retirement without asking any more than is necessary of their standard of living in the here and now.聽
Or asking them to become a pensions expert聽鈥� which is your job.
Getting absolutely the best value for savers is the priority to any wider debate on savings levels.
That鈥檚 why phase 1 of the pensions review on the landscape, and the pensions Bill that will help reduce costs in the system and put decumulation on a firmer footing, must come before phase 2 on adequacy.聽
The damage done by poor returns 鈥� including during decumulation - maybe feels less binary and catastrophic than the risk of Maxwell style broken promises鈥�
鈥ut it鈥檚 a mistake to underestimate its impact on savers, which can in some cases be just as great.
So that is today鈥檚 exam question.
We are making good progress.
And I look forward to answering it鈥�
鈥ith all of you over the months and years to come.
Thank you very much